A few years ago, I was contemplating what Mary said to the Fatima kids about “fashions that offend Jesus”. As I looked at the famous picture of the kids- they were fully dressed! Even Francisco! My husband no longer wears shorts, I don’t wear pants, and we only wear tshirts for yard work/outside the public.
It’s interesting- we have been “noticed” by certain catholic family members and comments were made. It seems, if I were to wear a mini skirt or Lycra jeans, no one notices…”wrong will become right and right will become wrong”
Also- thanks for pointing out ALL aspects of modesty. I can throw my pants away but if I can’t clean up the inside, I am the Pharisees. Yikes! Lord, PLEASE help me with my modesty!!!
Interestingly, in France, the SSPX is the only group that really talks about modesty and there is often signs on the doors with guidelines. On the contrary, I’ve seen people in Ecclesia Dei group churches with shorts etc.
I've seen that, too. They made some good points to be fair and I can't abide either one most days. I dont think Catholic women (who attend the TLM, cause no one else thinks about this) have to be Amish. I only dress up, like in a dress, for occasions and for Mass. Just like how ALL the men on youtube with opinions on how traditional women should dress, dont live their everyday lives in a 3 piece suit. Some things just evolve like clothing. Everything is not a sinister plot. Occupations have changed. If I wore my best dresses every day, what would distinguish daily life from Sunday Mass, wearing your best for the King? Plus, men are totally upside-down and desensitized so no one would notice me in joggers at the gas station but it would draw unwanted attention if I pranced around town in a Sunday dress. Modesty, yes absolutely but I dont think women have to be in a dress 24/7 to be modest and that is DEFINITELY the sentiment among SSPX faithful. More about virtue signaling for many who only do it for show.
What is wrong with being in a dress 24/7 or even expecting women to be in a dress 24/7? I feel like our society/world suffers more from a lack of standards than an overzealous application of them. The mere presence of a standard is enough to throw most people into an epileptic fit.
Jacqueline, if you feel that conviction then do it. Its a personal devotion as far as I'm concerned. Why do you have to want everyone to follow that standard that you set for yourself? Dont you see that you're looking down your nose to speak like that to others? Not humble or unassuming which are also important parts of modesty.
I think everyone should be modest, because I want everyone to go to heaven. I think you are looking down on me for having standards of dress that are objective. I understand that it is common for people to think that clothing norms are subjective, but that is not historically accurate. Wherever the Church evangelized, modesty followed. We live in a Godless, post Christian world, and that is sad! You can see the truth of this in the way people dress, speak, and treat the weak (preborn and those approaching death). Having standards is not the same as judging people's hearts and souls. Having standards leads to excellence. We should strive to be great in the way we look, in the things we create, in the way we treat others. I want other women to be great saints, not objectified.
It scandalizes me. I am a wicked sinner and could really use the help of my brothers and sisters in dressing modestly. I also think it is presumptuous to assume that no children are scandalized. How would you know?
Scandalized by what? You are saying that anyone without a dress is going to hell and is being inherently mmodest, ithats pretty scandalous to presume. I can look around at the culture and say that yes, there are many types of dress that offend God. I disagree with your assessment of how every woman must dress. I am not Amish. Its a devotion you have and thats great.
A lot of women at my church do this for each other. I will do it only if God convicts my heart to do it, and I have prayed about it for many years. My husband doesnt think its necessary to be modest so I listen to him as all married women should.
There are dresses and skirts which aren’t “Sunday best.” In your own home, you probably don’t need to wear one constantly. But there are nonchalant clothes for both men and women that can be worn on a daily basis.
Thank you! I am better prepared to defend modesty in my own life and shedding the cultural influence I grew up in and to speak of its importance. You have given me the wisdom of the Church. Bless you and your family.
Women have to listen to their husband's on this. Some men think more lets say, "inappropriately" about women, when they are in a skirt or dress. Precisely because of the post Christian world we live in.
A few years ago, I was contemplating what Mary said to the Fatima kids about “fashions that offend Jesus”. As I looked at the famous picture of the kids- they were fully dressed! Even Francisco! My husband no longer wears shorts, I don’t wear pants, and we only wear tshirts for yard work/outside the public.
It’s interesting- we have been “noticed” by certain catholic family members and comments were made. It seems, if I were to wear a mini skirt or Lycra jeans, no one notices…”wrong will become right and right will become wrong”
Also- thanks for pointing out ALL aspects of modesty. I can throw my pants away but if I can’t clean up the inside, I am the Pharisees. Yikes! Lord, PLEASE help me with my modesty!!!
Interestingly, in France, the SSPX is the only group that really talks about modesty and there is often signs on the doors with guidelines. On the contrary, I’ve seen people in Ecclesia Dei group churches with shorts etc.
I've seen that, too. They made some good points to be fair and I can't abide either one most days. I dont think Catholic women (who attend the TLM, cause no one else thinks about this) have to be Amish. I only dress up, like in a dress, for occasions and for Mass. Just like how ALL the men on youtube with opinions on how traditional women should dress, dont live their everyday lives in a 3 piece suit. Some things just evolve like clothing. Everything is not a sinister plot. Occupations have changed. If I wore my best dresses every day, what would distinguish daily life from Sunday Mass, wearing your best for the King? Plus, men are totally upside-down and desensitized so no one would notice me in joggers at the gas station but it would draw unwanted attention if I pranced around town in a Sunday dress. Modesty, yes absolutely but I dont think women have to be in a dress 24/7 to be modest and that is DEFINITELY the sentiment among SSPX faithful. More about virtue signaling for many who only do it for show.
Yes, certainly not 'Catholic amish' as their view is based on puritanism -- hopefully the video explains it well
What is wrong with being in a dress 24/7 or even expecting women to be in a dress 24/7? I feel like our society/world suffers more from a lack of standards than an overzealous application of them. The mere presence of a standard is enough to throw most people into an epileptic fit.
Jacqueline, if you feel that conviction then do it. Its a personal devotion as far as I'm concerned. Why do you have to want everyone to follow that standard that you set for yourself? Dont you see that you're looking down your nose to speak like that to others? Not humble or unassuming which are also important parts of modesty.
I think everyone should be modest, because I want everyone to go to heaven. I think you are looking down on me for having standards of dress that are objective. I understand that it is common for people to think that clothing norms are subjective, but that is not historically accurate. Wherever the Church evangelized, modesty followed. We live in a Godless, post Christian world, and that is sad! You can see the truth of this in the way people dress, speak, and treat the weak (preborn and those approaching death). Having standards is not the same as judging people's hearts and souls. Having standards leads to excellence. We should strive to be great in the way we look, in the things we create, in the way we treat others. I want other women to be great saints, not objectified.
I agree with that but we do not live in 1850. I does not scandalized anyone to see a woman in pants. Modesty yes but Amish no.
It scandalizes me. I am a wicked sinner and could really use the help of my brothers and sisters in dressing modestly. I also think it is presumptuous to assume that no children are scandalized. How would you know?
Scandalized by what? You are saying that anyone without a dress is going to hell and is being inherently mmodest, ithats pretty scandalous to presume. I can look around at the culture and say that yes, there are many types of dress that offend God. I disagree with your assessment of how every woman must dress. I am not Amish. Its a devotion you have and thats great.
Also, I don't set the standard. Jesus and Mary do.
A lot of women at my church do this for each other. I will do it only if God convicts my heart to do it, and I have prayed about it for many years. My husband doesnt think its necessary to be modest so I listen to him as all married women should.
And what are we to do if our leaders are wrong?
God speaks through the husband. Trust his judgment and pray for him to have wisdom. Thats what matters. Not dresses
There are dresses and skirts which aren’t “Sunday best.” In your own home, you probably don’t need to wear one constantly. But there are nonchalant clothes for both men and women that can be worn on a daily basis.
I have a few dresses for summer, but I rarely wear dresses even for mass. I was forced to wear dresses as a child and hated it.
I wear a veil for mass etc and dress well but rarely with a dress.
Thank you! I am better prepared to defend modesty in my own life and shedding the cultural influence I grew up in and to speak of its importance. You have given me the wisdom of the Church. Bless you and your family.
Women have to listen to their husband's on this. Some men think more lets say, "inappropriately" about women, when they are in a skirt or dress. Precisely because of the post Christian world we live in.
Just go back to the change of the forever Holy Ghost to the now modernist Holy Spirit
Its correct to say either. You are so legalistic. You would have made a great fundamentalist Baptist.
Boy, Bishop Williamson never minced any words over women in pants. I came to see that pants do not become a woman. Shocking.
I recently saw a video that Christine Niles was on a crusade against modesty along with the trad recovery crowd… and yet people still believe her
oh boy…
I was referred to the video Marcus mentioned of Christine Niles and the hippe. I think I posted my comments in the wrong spot. Mea culpa!